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HeY ThErE!!

Hot doggity! sometimes tensions get frayed on the web! After a long days coding! There's a cool resource for Flash users, a mailing list forrum. Hey, I thought I'd see if they had any gifs they wanted to showcase on our GIFted site (tee hee) but they went all spikey!!!! Well check it out, I have reprinted the emails here for you!! Sometimes I say the wrong things :(( And it's sad because they seemed like nice guys. Oh well, can't win them all!!! I guess this is a manual of how not to make friends on the internet ;(

FOR INTERNALUSE ONLY

Hey Les!!! Could you snaz up this page a bit? I'm goin' to Sweden tomorrow to hang out with CrYsTaLwarrior... remember him?? He is a cool coder!

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???? [dirGames-L] ---===AnImAtEd gIfS===--
???? 30.12.01 19:31
?? ???? baxters <baxters@narod.ru> ???????? ????? ? ????? ????????????? ?????

???? <dirgames-l@nuttybar.drama.uga.edu> ??????? ??-????

Hey DOODZ!
Allow me to say howdy and introduce, I am Glen Baxter. My brother and I
erstwhile maintained a resource for web constructors, comprising mainly of
animated gifs. For one reason or another we have had to renounce our legal
claim to that site and all assets contained therin, but we are rebuilding
our site.
Well I know you Flash designers aren't the best web constructors, but I bet
you have a few nice animated gifs floating about on those hard drives, and
if you want them included in the showcase then please send them to me!!!
I don't really approve of Flash (no plugins!!!!) but I saw some cool stuff
at www.multimediapalace.com ; check it out, the flash stuff is under 'web
animations' section.
Look forwards to hearing from you all, and any reactions to our new site:
http://baxters.narod.ru
All the best, peace and goodwill of the season,
Glen Baxter on behalf of The Baxter Brothers.
XXXXX
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???? 30.12.01 20:15
?? ???? stephen <stevenhamilton@blueyonder.co.uk> ???????? ????? ? ????? ????????????? ?????

???? <dirgames-l@nuttybar.drama.uga.edu> ??????? ??-????

Oh dear, oh dear

You seem to have confused this for a flash based list. Whilst many of
us use flash, the list is more focused on director development.

BTW, this is class:

>I call this one 'Freaky Chicken'
>
>OK so the animation is a little 'unusual' but it is here mainly to
>demonstrate two golden gif rules:INTERLACE!!! DITHER SOLIDS!!!
>
>say these two rules 10 times before you go to bed, and you will go
>far, young jedi knight!!!!

As I'm 'not the best web constructor', I wonder if you'll reconsider
your Dither Solids Golden Rule. I'd say never dither solids; they
look shite.

>Hey DOODZ!
>Allow me to say howdy and introduce, I am Glen Baxter. My brother
>and I erstwhile maintained a resource for web constructors,
>comprising mainly of animated gifs. For one reason or another we
>have had to renounce our legal claim to that site and all assets
>contained therin, but we are rebuilding our site.
>Well I know you Flash designers aren't the best web constructors,
>but I bet you have a few nice animated gifs floating about on those
>hard drives, and if you want them included in the showcase then
>please send them to me!!!
>I don't really approve of Flash (no plugins!!!!) but I saw some cool
>stuff at www.multimediapalace.com ; check it out, the flash stuff is
>under 'web animations' section.
>Look forwards to hearing from you all, and any reactions to our new
>site: http://baxters.narod.ru
>All the best, peace and goodwill of the season,
>Glen Baxter on behalf of The Baxter Brothers.
>XXXXX

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???? Re: [dirGames-L] ---===AnImAtEd gIfS===--
???? 30.12.01 21:01
?? ???? nathan r. hruby <nhruby@ARCHES.UGA.EDU> ???????? ????? ? ????? ????????????? ?????

???? baxters <baxters@narod.ru> ??????? ??-????

On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, baxters wrote:

> Hey DOODZ! Allow me to say howdy and introduce, I am Glen Baxter. My

"Dude",

This is most certianly not the correct forum for this kind of
announcement. Please stick to IRC, USENET newsgroups and other places of
illegal media circulation. The works that are discussed here are
typically for paid projects or are things created by people for demo
purposes (eg: resume filler / addtional supporting matter to indicate
skill level) and are most certianly not for public domain use, other than
for entertainment value, as they are games.

Further, whislt an animated gif resource may in fact be handy for a lot of
people, your annoucnement and language indicate that you have very little
intension of keeping attributation to the original designer or following
fair use policy, which is fairly rephrehensible. I assume that is why
your previous site was shut down. +1 point for at least being forward
about that issue.

I suggest, unless you are truly interested in game design and / or
implementation with Dirctor or Flash, leaving this list before the more
vocal and less polite members of the group read your message....

-n.. "el dood"
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http://www.drama.uga.edu/
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???? 31.12.02 00:12
?? ???? baxters <baxters@narod.ru> ???????? ????? ? ????? ????????????? ?????

???? <dirgames-l@nuttybar.drama.uga.edu> ??????? ??-????

Hey there mr angry!
To think how upsetting it must have been for people to read my email!!!

>On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, baxters wrote:
>
>> Hey DOODZ! Allow me to say howdy and introduce, I am Glen Baxter. My
>
>"Dude",
why the quotes?
>
>This is most certianly not the correct forum for this kind of
>announcement. Please stick to IRC, USENET newsgroups and other places of
>illegal media circulation. The works that are discussed here are
>typically for paid projects or are things created by people for demo
>purposes (eg: resume filler / addtional supporting matter to indicate
>skill level) and are most certianly not for public domain use, other than
>for entertainment value, as they are games.
>
>Further, whislt an animated gif resource may in fact be handy for a lot
of
>people, your annoucnement and language indicate that you have very little
>intension of keeping attributation to the original designer or following
>fair use policy, which is fairly rephrehensible. I assume that is why
>your previous site was shut down. +1 point for at least being forward
>about that issue.

You assume wrong!! I can't be bothered to explain, but what on earth made
you think that we wouldn't attribute authorship to a designer?? Are you
paranoid?
>
>I suggest, unless you are truly interested in game design and / or
>implementation with Dirctor or Flash, leaving this list before the more
>vocal and less polite members of the group read your message....
>

Yea yea.

>-n.. "el dood"
>--
>......
>nathan hruby - nhruby@arches.uga.edu
>computer support specialist
>department of drama and theatre
>http://www.drama.uga.edu/
>......
>
>

If you have nothing useful to add to this discussion apart from niggling,
then please don't post to this list anymore

As it happens many listees have replied with a selection of gifs which I
shall process and put online for the good of the web community.
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???? Re: [dirGames-L] ---===AnImAtEd gIfS===--
???? 31.12.02 00:15
?? ???? baxters <baxters@narod.ru> ???????? ????? ? ????? ????????????? ?????

???? <dirgames-l@nuttybar.drama.uga.edu> ??????? ??-????

>Oh dear, oh dear
>
>You seem to have confused this for a flash based list. Whilst many of
>us use flash, the list is more focused on director development.
>
same sort of thing, though, in't it?

>BTW, this is class:
>
>>I call this one 'Freaky Chicken'
>>
>>OK so the animation is a little 'unusual' but it is here mainly to
>>demonstrate two golden gif rules:INTERLACE!!! DITHER SOLIDS!!!
>>
>>say these two rules 10 times before you go to bed, and you will go
>>far, young jedi knight!!!!
>

Glad you liked it!!!

>As I'm 'not the best web constructor', I wonder if you'll reconsider
>your Dither Solids Golden Rule. I'd say never dither solids; they
>look shite.

As for this, I shall leave it to my brother Les to deal with, he is the
real gif expert!! Thanks for picking up on this 'though!
>
>
>
>>Hey DOODZ!
>>Allow me to say howdy and introduce, I am Glen Baxter. My brother
>>and I erstwhile maintained a resource for web constructors,
>>comprising mainly of animated gifs. For one reason or another we
>>have had to renounce our legal claim to that site and all assets
>>contained therin, but we are rebuilding our site.
>>Well I know you Flash designers aren't the best web constructors,
>>but I bet you have a few nice animated gifs floating about on those
>>hard drives, and if you want them included in the showcase then
>>please send them to me!!!
>>I don't really approve of Flash (no plugins!!!!) but I saw some cool
>>stuff at www.multimediapalace.com ; check it out, the flash stuff is
>>under 'web animations' section.
>>Look forwards to hearing from you all, and any reactions to our new
>>site: http://baxters.narod.ru
>>All the best, peace and goodwill of the season,
>>Glen Baxter on behalf of The Baxter Brothers.
>>XXXXX
>
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???? 31.12.02 00:51
?? ???? Charles Forman <cforman@cforman.com> ???????? ????? ? ????? ????????????? ?????

???? <dirgames-l@nuttybar.drama.uga.edu> ??????? ??-????

> Hey there mr angry!
> To think how upsetting it must have been for people to read my email!!!

Shit...not again.

Nathan, Im sure noone would mind if you give this guy a ban.

Anyone who writes like this -=-=-==ItS cOoL tO sPaM===-=-=- should get a
ban.

;-D

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???? 31.12.02 01:39
?? ???? Eric Iverson <zoetek@zoetek.com> ???????? ????? ? ????? ????????????? ?????

???? <dirgames-l@nuttybar.drama.uga.edu> ??????? ??-????

>Hey DOODZ!

Um, this is a joke, right?

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???? 31.12.02 01:51
?? ???? nathan r. hruby <nhruby@arches.uga.edu> ???????? ????? ? ????? ????????????? ?????

???? <dirgames-l@nuttybar.drama.uga.edu> ??????? ??-????

On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, baxters wrote:

>
> Hey there mr angry!

Please don't think that was angry, it wasn't, nor was it meant to be.

> To think how upsetting it must have been for people to read my email!!!
>

Well, frankly: Yes.

We are a large list and don't take kindly to unsolictied email.
Espically ones that insult us by calling us not "the best web
consructors." If you really would like to start an animtated gif archive
and would like quality work, a simple note saying what your doing, and a
url to refrence with details and links to send would of been much more
wise choice. An email that used professional tones and words that exsist
in the OED would have been even better. While "dude" is in the OED,
"DoOdZ" isn't, in fact it smacks of very infintile script kiddie speak, a
subculture for which I (and many others on this list, as has already
been noted) have no respect.

The point is that your discourse is completly not on topic to this list
and your attitude is quite negative, as one of the owners of this list
it's my job to make sure things don't stray too far, and that the level of
discoruse remains at a fairly high level - Hence me asking you to either
leave or please stay on topic and be polite and civil.

[snip]

>
> You assume wrong!! I can't be bothered to explain, but what on earth
> made you think that we wouldn't attribute authorship to a designer??
> Are you paranoid?

Yes, I am paranoid, many of the list members here will confirm that. Are
you high? What would make you think that anyone would want to give you
anything of quaility when you have already noted that you've had your site
shut down due to leagal difficulties? You're certianly not winning any
trust by flippantly refusing to explain why your site was shut down, so
we must assume the worst, until you prove our doubts incorrect.

[snip]

> If you have nothing useful to add to this discussion apart from
> niggling, then please don't post to this list anymore
>

I think that I just did - I informed you of the proper etiquitte of this
list. I am one of the owners of this list, and I own that machine it runs
on hence my posting to you and the list. Regardless of weather you think
that I have nothing useful to add, the fact that I own the box means I
have a bit more leeway in poking my nose in various threads.

Please take this entire message as your one and only warning:
Do not spam the list with rambling or insulting notices for your sites
anymore. If you'd like to make an announcement about your site, that
you think is topical to a group of game designers, please post it in a
brief message that is not insulting or childish. Further infractions of
this will force me to ban you from this list and file a complaint with
the abuse address of your ISP and their upstream ISP.

-n

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department of drama and theatre
http://www.drama.uga.edu/
......

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???? 31.12.02 02:05
?? ???? Eric Iverson <zoetek@zoetek.com> ???????? ????? ? ????? ????????????? ?????

???? <dirgames-l@nuttybar.drama.uga.edu> ??????? ??-????

>As I'm 'not the best web constructor', I wonder if you'll reconsider
>your Dither Solids Golden Rule. I'd say never dither solids; they
>look shite.
>
They not only don't look good, they dont save space. I tried a solid
block of a non-web palette color and got the following results:

Solid: 4,065 bytes
Pattern Dither: 8,317 bytes
Diffusion Dither: 24,274 bytes

I suppose if you have to use a web safe palette, and you really
really need a specific color, dithering is better than nothing. But
it certainly doesn't save space.

I believe this is not true for photographs. If you overlay a photo
with a regular pattern, I'm pretty sure the image compresses better.

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???? 31.12.02 02:22
?? ???? Allen Partridge <partridge@adayat.com> ???????? ????? ? ????? ????????????? ?????

???? <dirgames-l@nuttybar.drama.uga.edu> ??????? ??-????

bye, bye Mr. Baxter.

My first official expulsion is hereby made.
Everyone say goodbye to the Baxter Brothers.

--al
----- Original Message -----
From: "baxters" <baxters@narod.ru>
To: <dirgames-l@nuttybar.drama.uga.edu>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [dirGames-L] ---===AnImAtEd gIfS===--

>
> Hey there mr angry!
> To think how upsetting it must have been for people to read my
email!!!
>
> >On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, baxters wrote:
> >
> >> Hey DOODZ! Allow me to say howdy and introduce, I am Glen Baxter.
My
> >
> >"Dude",
> why the quotes?
> >
> >This is most certianly not the correct forum for this kind of
> >announcement. Please stick to IRC, USENET newsgroups and other
places of
> >illegal media circulation. The works that are discussed here are
> >typically for paid projects or are things created by people for demo
> >purposes (eg: resume filler / addtional supporting matter to indicate
> >skill level) and are most certianly not for public domain use, other
than
> >for entertainment value, as they are games.
> >
> >Further, whislt an animated gif resource may in fact be handy for a
lot of
> >people, your annoucnement and language indicate that you have very
little
> >intension of keeping attributation to the original designer or
following
> >fair use policy, which is fairly rephrehensible. I assume that is
why
> >your previous site was shut down. +1 point for at least being
forward
> >about that issue.
>
> You assume wrong!! I can't be bothered to explain, but what on earth
made you think that we wouldn't attribute authorship to a designer?? Are
you paranoid?
> >
> >I suggest, unless you are truly interested in game design and / or
> >implementation with Dirctor or Flash, leaving this list before the
more
> >vocal and less polite members of the group read your message....
> >
>
> Yea yea.
>
> >-n.. "el dood"
> >--
> >......
> >nathan hruby - nhruby@arches.uga.edu
> >computer support specialist
> >department of drama and theatre
> >http://www.drama.uga.edu/
> >......
> >
> >
>
> If you have nothing useful to add to this discussion apart from
niggling, then please don't post to this list anymore
>
> As it happens many listees have replied with a selection of gifs which
I shall process and put online for the good of the web community.
> --==GlEn BaXtEr==--
> --
> ?? ?????? ????????? ??????? ???? ?????? ? ?????????? ????? ?????
> ? ??????????? ???????????!
> ( http://2002.yandex.ru/ )
>
>
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Goodbye. You will be missed.

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